"I found that one quarter pound hamburger requires over 660 gallons of water to produce. Here I’ve been taking these short showers trying to save water, to find out just eating one hamburger is equivalent to showering 2 entire months."
- Cowspiracy: The Sustainability Secret
I’m sure clearing the brazilian rainforests for soy (common vegan staple) has had 0 impact on the environment though :/
I apologize if you’re being sarcastic (in which case haha, hilarious, well done) but just so we’re clear:
“About 85 percent of the world’s soybean crop is processed into meal and vegetable oil, and virtually all of that meal is used in animal feed.
Some two percent of the soybean meal is further processed into soy flours and proteins for food use… Approximately six percent of soybeans are used directly as human food, mostly in Asia.”
Those numbers are directly from the soy industry (http://www.soyatech.com/soy_facts.htm). You can’t call propaganda on that at all. Then you gotta think about the fact that soy is in pretty much everything you eat.
Sasha Grey booty just does not know when to quit ;o
here is a watered-down-as-fuck-in-layman’s-terms explanation of training for vegans who don’t understand training
if you can train a dog using +R, you can train a horse. insinuating that riding is inherently unethical is extremely narrow minded and doesn’t take any individual factors into account at all; not that animal’s husbandry, training, the methods in which they are handled, their relationship with their caretaker, or anything of that nature.
I think it’s also important to acknowledge that riding can be physically harmful to the horse, particularly if they’re ridden too long, not conditioned, ridden poorly, or trained poorly.
But if the horse is ridden using ethical training and in a way that doesn’t depreciate its physical welfare, there is absolutely nothing harmful about it.
And one last note regarding food - my horse is out on pasture with hay freely available, 24/7. Training with positive reinforcement isn’t a matter of withholding food in order to force the animal to perform behaviors. (I’m not sure if anyone believes this or was making the accusation but just want to nip this in the bud, especially given that people used to starve their animals in order to train in the early development of food based training)
all good points
i really want to make an entire list of commonly given reasons as to why people think riding is inherently abusive and ‘debunk’ them… but that also requires effort
that’s not the point at all
its painfully obvious that a horse can be ridden in a manner that isn’t harmful
the point is that there is nothing about the wellbeing of a horse that REQUIRES a human to ride them, and it’s the fact that so called vegan equestrians defend this activity, and really, their enjoyment of it, tooth and nail without understanding the root of the issue, that horses aren’t here to be ridden by us.
it’s also fallacious to compare dog training to horse training as the purpose of the two are none alike. horses are trained to be ridden while dogs are trained to merely function along their human caretakers. the comparison would be valid if the purpose of training a dog was to carry humans or their things.
I’ve personally spoken to actually vegan equestrians here who have entirely given up riding the horse/s in their care and STILL MANAGE to give them all the exercise and enrichment they need without spewing justifications and excuses.
all this talk of veganism getting more popular and I call bullshit. whatever is getting more popular isn’t veganism.
Finally someone talking sense.
What Havocados said. As an ex-horse owner/rider, I can definitely say that horse riding is NOT vegan. The sooner all you ‘horse lovers’ understand this the better. Either stop exploiting these animals for your own personal gain or drop the vegan label.
In the 1930s, men’s nipples were just as provocative, shameful and taboo as women’s are now, and men were protesting in much the same way. In 1930, four men went topless to Coney Island and were arrested. In 1935, a flash mob of topless men descended upon Atlantic City, 42 of whom were arrested. Men fought and they were heard, changing not only laws but social consciousness. And by 1936, men’s bare chests were accepted as the norm.
So why is it that 80 years later women can’t seem to achieve the same for their chests? Why can’t a mother proudly breastfeed her child in public without feeling sexualized? why is a 17-year-old girl being asked to leave her own prom because a group of fathers find her too provocative?
[…] I am not trying to argue for mandatory toplessness, or even bralessness. What I am arguing for is a woman’s right to choose how she represents her body — and to make that choice based on personal desire and not a fear of how people will react to her or how society will judge her. No woman should be made to feel ashamed of her body.
Scout Willis, in XOJane,
on Instagram’s nudity policy and why she recently strolled the NYC streets topless. Solid essay all around. I found this piece particularly interesting because I’d never heard about the men’s nipples thing. (via batmansymbol
rubbing my nipples while fucking me? that’ll earn you major points
talents include looking 12 and saying thank you to the bus driver